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  • It was Veterans Day and I had a day off so drove the 3 hours to the club and settled into a stand that afternoon about 2:00pm. I began my hunt in a 2 man ladder overlooking the corner of an unharvested bean field. I kept looking at those woods adjoining the bean field and decided after about 30 minutes that man.....I want to hunt those woods.
    I got down from the stand, walked the edge of the field until there was an opening and then entered into the cover. Boy, let me tell you, it was nice in there. There was a mixture of hardwoods and large pine along with some undergrowth but not to thick. I started looking for a stump to sit on that would allow me a shot of 50 yards or so when lo and behold....,I spied an old metal ladder stand with a red boat seat attached that stood about 12 feet high.
    I gave it a good shake and it seemed sturdy. I climbed up to the seat and saw it full of leaves and debris so I cleaned it up best I could. Those leaves were dry and made noise so I took care to remove them all from the foot platform as well.
    I settled into that little boat seat and I will tell you...I had died and gone to heaven. The wind was blowing from my right shoulder sending my scent towards the bean field which was perfect. I can not tell you how happy I was sitting in that little stand. I was thinking about how bucks stage in the cover prior to stepping out in the fields late of an evening. I knew the rut was on and I began to congratulate myself for being in the woods instead of on the field.
    Once things quieted down from my intrusion, the squirrels started coming out. Them suckers will keep you on the edge of your seat and I will say, not to boast, that I have almost figured out the difference between a squirrel rustling and a deer walking.
    Anyhow, after a short while, I heard something coming up behind me so the juices starting flowing and I readied my rifle. It was a red fox. I watched that fox chase after some squirrels for a good 10 minutes before he moved on. I had several people at the club that night tell me I should have shot it but for me....I'm hunting a buck...I don't give two hoots for killing a fox. It was the shizzle to watch that fox trying to catch his supper.
    At just about 5:15pm, when right now you only have another 10 minutes or so of shooting light, I heard deer coming.
    I am a right handed shooter and they were coming from my left side which is a much more competent position to be in if you know what I mean. There was a lead doe, 20 yards or so and she looked to be young, maybe last years crop. Behind her, in tow, were two youngsters. I watched them for several minutes. She knew something was up as she kept putting her head in the air and stomped her foot a few times. She knew something was out of whack but eventually, she moseyed on down the trail and went out of sight.
    I sat there and waited, as I always do, for the light in the woods to reach a darkness where I know I can not differentiate between a doe or a spike. Thats when I call it a day and that has served me well over the years.
    That was the best day in the field I have had this year. For all my hunting brethern out there, both dog and still hunters....get off those fields and treat yourself to the solitude of hunting a stand in the woods. Just get in them woods and slow your ass down to a snails crawl. Look around you at all that life that exists in those woods and try to be a part of it. I learned late in life that you don't have to kill it. The best part of hunting is being able to watch it.

    November 13, 2008 at 12:35pm

    By Lee Tolliver
    The Virginian-Pilot
    © November 2, 2008
    Hunters in North Carolina don't have to worry about any state rules concerning the use of dogs to hunt deer.

    For now.

    North Carolina game officials had been looking at adopting rules concerning dog licensing and fines for dogs and hunters going on posted land.

    'We're tabling any of that for right now,' game commission chairman Wes Seegar said. 'We hear complaints from landowners all the time -

    e-mails, letters and calls. I keep a file on everything.

    'But there are already trespassing rules on the books, and people just need to be courteous to other hunters and landowners.'

    Seegar warned, however, that there are movements to change laws. In Pasquatank County, for instance, landowners have several county commissioners on their side in a fight for privacy.

    'County commissioners can get their state legislators to introduce county-specific bills... and they usually pass,' Seegar said. 'And we usually don't find out about it until after it's a done deal.'

    Seegar said members of his commission had meetings with several houndsman organizations in the state.

    'Everyone knows that several states, like Florida and Georgia, have enacted some strict laws for hound hunters,' Seegar said. 'We've just decided that there aren't any good solutions right now.'

    November 04, 2008 at 9:06am

    Friday, December 07, 2007

    Petition: Owner should give permission to be on land


    Staff Writer

    Nature photographer Doug Lane owns 50 acres of mostly wooded land on Okisko Road in southern Pasquotank County.

    Most of the time it’s peaceful and quiet where he lives, and Lane is able to capture images of colorful birds, turtles and insects.

    But this time of year, Lane’s livelihood can be interrupted at any moment by the cracking sounds of high-powered rifles and the yelps of deer-chasing hunting dogs echoing through the trees.

    Currently, there are no local laws prohibiting hunting dogs from running across private property, even if the land is posted for no hunting. Lane wants to change that.

    “Hunters with their $20 hunting license are able to take control of my land because they have no land available to them,” he says. “I can see a hunter’s point of view. But when you on purpose dump your dogs on my driveway, that’s not fair.”

    Lane, who has lodged complaints with the Pasquotank Board of Commissioners about hunting dogs running loose on private property before, is ratcheting up his protest a notch. He’s circulating a petition seeking support for a local law that would make it illegal to both hunt on posted land and allow hunting dogs to trespass on private property without the owner’s written permission.

    Lane says his research shows that deer hunting with dogs is banned in 41 states as well as most of the western half of North Carolina. He’d like Pasquotank officials to consider a similar ban.

    “I recognize that most hunters are law-abiding and ethical,” Lane says. “I also recognize that most deer-dog hunters are not sportsmen nor are they ethical. If they were, I would not have this problem.”

    Several county commissioners met with hunters recently to discuss Lane’s concerns, in hopes of resolving the issue without having to pass a new law.

    “We recognize one’s right to maintain his property,” Board of Commissioners Chairman Cecil Perry said. “I think everyone should respect his position. He doesn’t want to prevent anyone from hunting. Hopefully, we’ll be able to work out a resolution.”

    Brock Lamb, a deer hunter who lives about 2 miles from Lane, says his neighbor’s quest for a ban on deer hunting with dogs is an overreaction.

    “I think he’s making it hard on everybody,” Lamb said. “We really don’t bother anybody. We’re really cautious about it. It’s a tradition. We don’t ever turn dogs loose on property (where) we don’t have permission.”

    The dispute between Lane and deer hunters who use dogs is in part being fueled by Pasquotank County’s growth. Among the fastest-growing counties in the state, more people live in Pasquotank per square mile than ever before. Growth is one reason why commissioners passed an ordinance two years ago aimed at protecting residents from vicious and dangerous dogs.

    That law was prompted by a number of residents who expressed fear of taking a walk in their neighborhood without being approached by a loud and potentially dangerous dog.

    The ordinance requires dogs be leashed or fenced in, and gives the sheriff the authority to impound a dog and fine the owner up to $500.

    Lane says his biggest fear isn’t being bit by a deer hunting dog; it’s getting shot by a bullet fired from a high-powered rifle.

    If someone wanted to operate a rifle range, they’d be subject to all kinds of regulations, Lane says.

    “But there are none in the middle of a field for a hunter with a rifle with killing power for over a mile,” he said.

    October 31, 2008 at 3:49am
    A comment titled: TC in response to a report titled: Dog Hunting

    Man, I am really happy for you. It sounds to me like you enjoy sitting in your 45 acres and having your neighbors run deer to you. You are having a good experience and thats wonderful. TC is happy with his hunting arrangements and thats whats really important here. I guess if I was happy and content with my hunting experience then I could tell everyone who was having a nightmare to shut-up, get over it, suck it up and quit complaining. I think you are right to suggest to me to give up this 4000 acre lease, the stands, clubhouse and all the rest that goes with this still hunting club. Just let it all go to the dog hunting road cullers and hunt in a county that does not run dogs. It seems fair enough to me that I should drive an additional 100 miles so you can have your experience. Thank you for helping me see the light. Yea baby...maybe I'll find me a little 40 acre plot, sit in that thing and wait for the doggers to send some deer my way. That is a hunting experience that I can relish for a lifetime.

    January 12, 2009 at 7:02am
    A comment titled: Dog in response to a report titled: Dog Hunting

    At last count, there are 43 states that do not run deer with dogs and yet, there is coon, waterfowl, rabbit, squirrel and other game where the manner of take includes the use of a dog. More than half of our own state has all forms of hunting with dogs with the exception of running deer. I can hardly wait to chop this nose off.

    January 09, 2009 at 6:35am
    A comment titled: Dog Hunting in response to a report titled: Dog Hunting

    I have bantered back and forth on this forum for almost a year now about dogs running on our still hunting lease. It will get you nowhere.
    What I have done instead, is to circulate a petition, obtain signatures and have presented that petition to my County Commissioners to make it illegal to pursue deer with the aid of a dog. We have also proposed that if running deer with dogs is not made illegal, then as a compromise, make the county law state you must be elevated 10 feet above the ground in order to hunt deer. That will at least slow down the road cullers. Appeal to the commissioners to pass leash laws and/or trespassing laws. The WRC will not help those of us who suffer from dog hunters running our land. Forget about changing state laws and expecting those seated at the General Assembly to do something to help us. The County commissioners are the ones who hold the power, those are the folks you must reach in order to change county laws. The County Commissioners are a law unto themselves and are the easiest avenue in which to make change. The Commissioners don't care about sporting dog organizations, the WRC or anyone else. They only care about you voting for them. So gather your paper and pencils ladies and gentlemen, get those signatures and head for the county. Go to your County's web site and send an email to your commissioner and share with them as I have the frustrations of having those dogs run amock on your hunting land. Wes Seegars, chaiman of the WRC said it himself 'The counties are passing laws against dog hunters and the WRC is not finding out about it until after the fact.'
    Wishing all you fine folks a great day!

    January 08, 2009 at 10:37am
    A comment titled: Sunday Hunting in response to a report titled: Sunday Hunting

    There have been some questions as to why there is a ban on Sunday hunting so lets be perfectly clear here.
    The state ban was enacted in 1869. The law makes North Carolina one of 11 states, all in the East, to strictly limit or prohibit Sunday hunting. The law dates back to the enactment of 'blue laws' devoted to maintaining Sunday as a day of religious observance; the view from some pulpits is that there is no reason to change.
    A quote from the News and Observer dated September 10, 2006: “The Christian Action League of Raleigh opposes easing the ban. The Rev. Mark Creech, the league's executive director, said one of the ban's virtues is that it protects rural churches from dangerous disruptions.”
    The 2006 Studies Act commissioned by the North Carolina WRC with respect to Sunday Hunting contains the following: 68% of hunters who oppose hunting on Sunday cite religious reasons for their opposition. The basic opposition to Sunday hunting among hunters and non-hunters was the same – opposition based upon religious grounds.
    Make no mistake about it. This law is in place to keep you in church on Sunday. This country was founded on the principals of freedom of religion. I submit, what about freedom FROM religion? What gives a segment of the population the right to dictate to another what they can and cannot be allowed to do on a given day based solely on religion? If you want to be in Church on a Sunday and then spend the rest of the afternoon “resting' on the sofa, great…I’m all for it my brother. But don’t deny another individual because you think you know what’s good for them.
    I will accept a lot of different reasons for not hunting on Sundays. But when I get religion shoved down my throat it sticks in my craw. If any of you have served a tour of duty in Afghanistan, you’ll know what I’m talking about. They are called the Taliban.
    Are we not living in America? Where is my freedom of choice?
    The heads of a government that follow a particular religious faith, should not dictate laws based on that religion upon its people. Now, having said this, do I personally love the Baby Jesus? You can bet your hunting boots I do.

    January 08, 2009 at 8:28am
    A comment titled: For NCSU-Hunter in response to a report titled: Sunday Hunting

    I thought the following comment you made was right on the mark!
    'I believe Sunday hunting would keep many Christians or prospective Christians from attending church services. It sure would be tempting to spend another morning in the deer woods on a cold november weekend rather than being where we need to be.'

    I'm with you buddy. Let's keep those laws on the books that will make us go sit in church on Sunday. Forget that free-will stuff. I too would much rather keep a law to forbide Sunday hunting than to deal with the devils temptation to go hunting.
    Good point was made with the prospective Christians as well. How in the world will we be able to bring all them hunting heathens into the fold if we go and allow them to hunt on a Sunday? Can't let that Sunday hunting get in the way of the offering plate, now can we? I am with you NCSU....lets shove it down their throats since they don't know whats good for them and yes, you and I do..
    Oh to have lived back in the days of the Spanish Conquistadors! Those folks knew how to force feed!

    January 07, 2009 at 9:58am
    A comment titled: To Eastmanscreek in response to a report titled: STOP the dogs

    Sir, In your post, line item #7 refers to a Dog Hunter taking a Stillhunter on a hunt.
    As a Stillhunter myself, that offer will not be necessary as I sat in my stand Saturday morning and counted 8 dogs as they barked and ran through my lease. No thanks on the offer of 'thrill of the races'. I've had a belly full.

    December 01, 2008 at 11:56am
    A comment titled: Hillbilly 65 in response to a report titled: Still Hunting

    Send me an email and you can hunt our club as my guest. We have a house for overnight stays and I will park you in that stand I described in my post. It would be my pleasure to sponsor you. We are located close to Enfield. I look forward to hearing from you.

    November 25, 2008 at 12:10pm
    A comment titled: A Responsible Deer (Dog) Hunter: in response to a report titled: STILL HUNTERS GOING WRONG!!!!!!!

    Would never turn out dogs unless he/she/they were absolutely sure that the hunting instruments (dogs) would not go onto the property of another.

    Would designate dog handlers whose sole responsibility would be to stop the dogs immediately before they went off the property that was owned or leased for hunting by that group.

    Would always unload their weapons once they or their instruments (dogs) left their hunting land. This makes sense because when our dogs leaves the property that we control, the hunt is over.

    The words 'I am looking for my dogs' would never be used as an excuse to justify trespassing, road hunting, and other illegal hunting.

    That what constitutes a Responsible Hunter is the act of hunting in such a manner that no ill will shall be created or done to anyone. This means that the rights of non-hunters must be placed equal to or higher than the privilege of hunting. If you hunt, you know an irresponsible hunter. But do you know a Responsible Hunter? Are you a Responsible Hunter?

    Responsible hunting produces no complaints from the non-hunters of the state and peacefully coexists with other outdoor activities that are enjoyed by non-hunters. Irresponsible hunting is done by people who carry out their activity in the historical manner for which it was intended but produces negative results for those who are unfortunate enough to be around and exposed to it. This is simply a result of population and urban growth. It is the nature of this hunting activity that requires hunters and their hunting instruments to go wherever they need to go to successfully complete their hunt, even if they are trespassing. This type of hunting was fine a hundred years ago, but our population has increased in the last 50, 20, or even 10 years ago. The overwhelming majority of hunters engaging in this irresponsible activity need to re-evaluate their manner of hunting so that it does not portray all hunters in a negative light.

    The time has come to separate and differentiate the types of hunting in the state of NC. For the purpose of describing deer hunting, Still Hunting for deer needs to be separated from the act of Dog Hunting for deer. They are entirely different. The purpose of this is to help the sport of hunting to continue for the next generation. If this is not done then it is entirely possible that the public outcry will be so quick and so dramatic against this type of irresponsible hunting that it may drag down the whole sport of hunting.

    Is it possible that the majority of these irresponsible hunters would rather see hunting end instead of changing their manners and attitudes? Are they that resistant to change? If so, then they are the biggest factor that is portraying hunting in a negative light.

    November 12, 2008 at 3:00pm
    A comment titled: Don't shoot the pups. in response to a report titled: STILL HUNTERS GOING WRONG!!!!!!!

    That is a shame. That is the second dead hunting dog I have seen in as many days. The first was dead on the side of the highway, struck by a vehicle.
    As I go to the club again this weekend, I'll take my camera and get some pics of these dead dogs on the road and post them on here.
    Hopefully, we can all work together to stop or at least reduce the amount of fatalities inflicted upon these innocent dogs.

    November 10, 2008 at 11:31am
    A comment titled: News and Observer article on Dog Hunting 28 Oct 08 in response to a report titled: dogs

    Mike Zlotnicki, Staff Writer

    Is it time to ban running deer with hounds? Depends on who you ask -- 'dog hunters,' as they're called, or nearly everyone else, including stillhunters, landowners and nonhunters.

    As I've stated before, I've had numerous hunts ruined by deer hounds and their 'handlers.' I've heard countless stories regarding the same, as well as stories of dog hunters putting out hounds on posted land to await the chase on their leased land; dogs and deer knocking down wire fences; physical altercations between dog hunters and other hunters - the list is long. Many of the dog hunters are armed with centerfire rifles, not shotguns and buckshot, which raises the safety aspect.

    It used to be that dog hunters (usually clubs with many members) leased large tracts of land. It's still that way in some areas, but development and land use have fragmented tracts in many areas.

    If you can guarantee me your dogs will stay on your land and that they are properly vaccinated, that you will hunt with a shotgun and that you won't shoot from public roadways, knock yourself out.

    Sadly, I've seen too many examples to the contrary.

    Dog hunting is a Southern tradition, but times change.

    October 28, 2008 at 2:18pm
    A comment titled: Response to JTR 'What is all this'. in response to a report titled: Another Hunt Ruined

    If you put dogs out and your tract of land is large enough that the dogs stay on your property, I commend you and your club. Good for you and have a each his own. If you have a dog that might stray onto my land, I will take care of her until you can come get it.
    I believe you know the kind of dog hunters we are discussing in this forum.
    Every single year we deal with people who pull off the highway, line up with guns in hand overlooking our land and claim 'we just trying to catch our dogs'.
    My cornpile, mineral lick or food plot does not infringe upon them. Nor does the fact that my manner of take occurs while sitting in a tree. In a I hunt has no impact on them. Nada. None. Zip. I am out of sight out of mind, on my own land.
    That pack of dogs running deer on my land is another story entirely. Why should I have to put up with it? It's my land and I don't want it. For the most part I am continually reminded that dogs can't read posted signs therefore, deal with it.
    I don't want yours or anyone elses dogs running through my woods. Period. Is that a reasonable request sir?

    October 24, 2008 at 10:59am
    A comment titled: First Buck in response to a report titled: First Buck of the 2007 season

    That is a nice looking deer. Congrats to you sir.

    October 22, 2008 at 1:02pm
    A comment titled: A Still Hunters Perspective in response to a report titled: Another Hunt Ruined

    The Roanoke and Tar River Hunt Club (R&T) was established in the early 50's. They lease thousands of acres of river bottom and conduct safe, traditional, organized dog hunts. When those folks round up their dogs at the end of a hunt, the animals are still on R&T land. Their sport of dog hunting has not infringed on any other person. There is no second hand smoke. I understand where they are coming from and I wish them well.
    I like dogs. We have 6 of the things living in my house. One of those pooches is an old beagle we rescued from SPCA. Last year we spent 1500 dollars to have her hip repaired. I think the world of my dogs ( cats are a different story) and I would never shoot one under my stand.
    My issue is with dog hunters who put the dogs out on small parcels of land, knowing those animals will tresspass on another persons lease or land and then claim absolution.
    What can be done about dogs running under your stand? Not a darn thing. It is the way of the land. We can't call the sherriff because he is a dog hunter, has the same mind set as the encroachers and is the brother-in-law to the guy who owns the dogs. This goes on every day all over the state.
    Will the Wildlife Commission address the dog hunting issue? Not in a hundred years. They won't touch this with a 10 foot pole. That revenue from liscense sale is far more important than a pack of dogs running the deer out of your leased or family owned hunting woods. Eastern North Carolina will be the very last holdout to apply restrictions and enforcement with respect to dog hunting for deer.
    I am just glad I hunt with a bow, to be followed by black powder. That is 5 weeks of bliss while sitting in an undisturbed environment enjoying the hunting experience. When I read a proposal by the WRC to expand muzzleloader by 2 weeks...I whooped with joy. That means an extra week without the dogs.
    I wish those road cullers would give this still hunting a try. A whole new world would open up for them.

    October 22, 2008 at 9:51am
    A comment titled: Ruined Hunt in response to a report titled: Another Hunt Ruined

    Gee whiz mister, I'm sorry my dogs are running all over your land but you see....dogs can't read. I turned them out on our 100 acre patch and low and behold, they are now running deer on your 1500 acres. It ain't my fault. The dog did it. It's the dogs fault cause he can't read. Get it? The dog don't know how to read. But you know what? That's just your tuff s**t cause them dumb dogs can't read the posted signs. I am absolved from any wrong doing because you know....dogs don't read. Hey, I don't read to good myself.
    So let me put it to you another way. You still hunters can kiss my a**. I will continue to dump them dogs anywhere I want, anytime I want and continue to tell you to suck it up and get use to it. Because as you already know by now....yep you got it...the dog don't know how to read.

    October 21, 2008 at 5:30pm
    A comment titled: Ruined Hunt in response to a report titled: Another Hunt Ruined

    Boy, I'll tell you, if I have heard that lame excuse once, then this makes a thousand times.

    October 21, 2008 at 3:46pm
    A comment titled: Some Dog Hunters in response to a report titled: Another Hunt Ruined

    We QDMA manage and still hunt 1500 acres in Halifax County. Food plots, minerals, shooting houses...a real nice setup. If you shoot a buck it must be shoulder mounted or 400.00 dollar fine. Lots of work, time and money to establish a quality club.
    On Monday morning the Dog Hunters commenced their poaching. Same old line of bs we hear every year. I'm looking for my dogs (standing in the pick-up bed with a rifle)while parked on our land. Highway cullers we call them. They know they hunt our land, chase our deer and shoot the young bucks we are trying to save for another year. The dog hunters don't care. Those dogs are an excuse to steal, tresspass and poach.
    I know there are good dog hunting clubs where you take a stand in the woods and the dog drives the deer to you. Not my cup of tea but help yourself...I understand.
    It's you pathetic road cullers that stick in my craw. Brown its down. You lie, cheat and steal as you poach from real sportsmen and call it hunting.
    We will continue to manage these deer in spite of you. We will not lower ourselves to your poor standards. Another year has commenced where we will again have to put up with your sorry a**es.

    October 21, 2008 at 10:17am
    A comment titled: whitetail woes in response to a report titled: whitetail woes

    Go to a different taxidermist. Have the antlers remounted on another deer. A taxidermist will have a freezer full of hides. I have taken mounts that are 20 years or older and are looking badly and have had those horns remounted on a new hide. No problem. Your just out some money but worth having that rack sitting on a pretty deer.

    May 20, 2008 at 1:15pm
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