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  • Scoutfish...I'm just gonna put it out there for ya!!!

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    Scoutfish..As you can tell the following is your own Comment on ParkerDeerSlayer's post but I wanted to comment myself on a few qoutes you made so I'll make my replies in ALL CAPS to hopefully help you out a little in the future OK?

    I habeen wwatching a bunch of nice toms all winter long. Watched them into the weeks preceding turkey season. Watched them during youth week.
    Come regular turkey season, they must have packed upm and went of vacation.
    The few times I did see some, things went wrong:
    1 time I should have shot, but thought the distance was too far - turns out I later paced it off at around 25 yards from where tom was standing from me. Looked alot farther while crouching in the bushes on my side. ....(WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF TURKEY HUNTING!!! HAPPENS TO ALL OF US!!!!)

    Next time, I shot at one and he fell over, got up, flew straight over my head into the trees. Went looking for him but never found him. (IT TAKES A WELL PATTERNED SHOTGUN AND A FAIRLY WELL PLACED HEAD/NECK SHOT TO KILL A TURKEY!! THEY ARE TOUGH!!! SO KNOW YOUR GUN) ( I MISS A FEW EACH YEAR AND I FEEL GOOD ABOUT MY GUN BUT THAT'S HUNTING)

    Another time, I waited for a better shot, but ended up losing the chance. (LOSING THE CHANCE?? PATIENCE WOULD HAVE PUT THIS BIRD UNDER YOUR BOOT AT ANOTHER TIME UNLESS YOU SEEN HIM DIE)

    Another time, a freaking dog comes strolling out into the field. He didn't even know the turkeys were there, just sniffing and peeing on everything anf scared them off. (AGAIN...WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF TURKEY HUNTING!!!)

    So come the last day of turkey season, I shot at a less than ideal turkey. At first, I wasn't sure wether it was a jake or bearded hen, but a well experienced hunter confirmed it was a medium jake. ( IN MY OPINION...SIMPLE!! YOUR EXPERIENCED FRIEND IS WRONG!!!...YOU SHOT A BEARDED HEN!!! THE HEAD, NO SPURS, PENCIL BEARD, BODY SIZE...ALL INDICATE THAT IT'S NOT A JAKE.

    I didn't set out to shoot a jake, but the grass he was in kinda clouded his features. I saw him strutting, took aim and took him down. ( AGAIN, NOT SAYING YOU DIDN'T SEE A STRUTTING BIRD BUT SINCE THE GRASS 'CLOUDED HIS FEATURES' I SAY AGAIN 'BE SAFE!!!!' I MYSELF ABOUT KILLED A FOOL CRAWLING UP A FIRE-BREAK WITH A FULL STRUTTER DECOY WITH HIS BUDDY BEHIND HIM WITH A HEN DECOY AND A DAMN GOBBLE SHAKER!!! COMING TO MY CALLING)

    ALWAYS ASSUME 'ANY' CALLING YOU HEAR IS THAT OF ANOTHER HUNTER AND COMPANIES MAKE GIZMOS TO MAKE DECOYS MOVE, STRUT, FEED SO PLEASE JUST BE SAFE AND DON'T ALWAYS THINK YOUR ALONE IN THE TURKEY WOODS WEATHER PRIVATE OR PUBLIC..JUST LAST WEEK. I'M WALKING ON PRIVATE LAND AND GET 20 YARDS FROM A TRESSPASSER WHEN HE BAILS THE BUSHES AND TAKES OFF ON A DEAD SPRINT...AGAIN, HE WASN'T SUPPOSE TO BE THERE!!!! WHAT IF THIS HAD BEEN YOUR CASE AND A TRESSPASSER WAS SET-UP BEHIND SUCH DECOYS THAT YOU WAS STALKING IN HIGH GRASS?? YOU COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED OR YOU TAKE A SHOT AT THE MOVEABLE DECOYS AND KILLED THE GUY THAT WASN'T SUPPOSE TO BE THERE...IT HAPPENS BROTHER SO BE SAFE AND ALWAYS KNOW 100% WHAT YOUR TARGET IS AND WHATS BEYOND IT!!!!!

    Still proud as it was my first turkey and i even had to crawl on my stomach for 25 yards or so to even get close enough to him to take the shot.(HERE'S THE PICTURE YOU SHARED AND I STILL SAY IT'S A BEARDED HEN BUT CONGRATS ON YOUR FIRST EITHER WAY)

    That was actually kinda cooler than getting him.

    So, depending on circumstance, I'd have no problem shooting the bird in your picture.
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    Turkey
    Again,I do congradulate you and am not trying to beat you down,I don't want to do that to any hunter. I too think it has the head of a hen,and I have seen plenty this season.And its legal to kill a bearded one as we all know. I just got a little worked up because you said you shot at what you saw as a less than ideal jake. I just felt if you didn't think it was a good bird you should have let it walk even though you were having a tough time getting one. I hope you keep at it and next year get a nice longbeard or even a nice jake.Good Luck
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    Look man....gonna lay it out for you
    I'm a first time turkey hunter, but this is not the first time I ever picked up a gun,first time shooting, first time I ever went hunting, nor the first time I have chased after a creature to take.

    Almost everything you quoted to me, was in fact my own observations, but could also be the observations of anybody doing anything that invloves breathing or living in general. Nothing about anything I said was any great revelation that you laid out for me.

    Those same kinds of circumstances happen while fishing, while playing a game of pool or football, or while watching a nascar race. Happens in traffic, while cooking, or pretty much doing anything at all.

    They were even nicknamed 'Murphy's Laws'

    Stuff happens, that's life, we win some, we loose some, we sometimes break even. Sometimes we encounter something so bizzare and strange, we just scratch our heads.

    I have shot plenty of guns in my lifetime. assault rifles, target rifles, bolt actions, semis, singles, shotguns and pistols. And I am good at it too.

    I have been around all kinds of wild creatures in my lifetime. Always lived on the costal woods or deep in the woods. Never been an urban dweller.

    Just started turkey hunting this year. Turkeys are new to me. Turkey calling ( which it turns out I am pretty decently good at) is new to me.

    Knowing my gun, knowing how to shoot a gun, how to carry a gun,service and repair a gun,etc are NOT new to me.

    As for your opinion...well, I'm cool with that. I respect that you have some, and I absolutely suport your right to have one. But at the same time, they just don't weigh much with me. You took one of my photos and blew it up and turned it upside down just so you could prove there was no snood, but I could see it plain as day in even your photo.

    You are looking at just a photo, this guy who looked at it is in his 60's is a licensed forester in the state of NC and works on a 118,000 game forest every day. The man has a ton of turkey fans, deer heads, duck and geese mounts all over his man cave/ hunting garage. He has a few elk racks, a freaking huge buffalo head, and a couple foxes mounted too.

    But here's the kicker - He actually picked up my bird and held it, examined it, and saw it in person.

    Now, after you saying there was no snood ( even when it's obvious in your edited version of my photo) and remembering how you tap danced you way around trying to make your wrong answer about NC hunting age somehow appear to be my misunderstanding, after finding out the correct answer....after reading many of your comments after I make a post...I am starting to think you only read a sentance or two before you have already made up your mind about how wrong I am about anything or how superior you are.

    In my post about my first kill, I posted every single bit of info that you and another person then proceded to ask me about in following comments.

    I stated that I shot at a red neck( connected to a fanning tail ) and watched it fall. How that particular neck jumped up without me seeing, and a hen's neck running over and taking it's place is beyond me.

    Once I stated that I liked a gobble call and you immediately went into the ills and immoral acts of using one. Okay, you don't like them...that's cool. But apparently alot of people do like them and use them with success. Lest otherwise, they would not be on the market.

    I stated so many times that I am on private land, yet you reference the woes of what I do on public land.

    I hunt three private properties with a total combined acreage of around 1,800 acres .

    Now, I do not live in Charlotte or any other part of western NC.

    I live in an area where every other property owner has at least 3 or 4 hundered acres. Private land is not lacking here.

    These properties are surrounded by other private properties of equal sizes. They are split by hiways and creeks. And for the most part, people around here respect each other and ask permission to hunt and keep out when they do not get it. Most people here know all their neighbors and recognize their vehicles. Chances are good that when I walked out of the field to my truck with my turkey, 5 or 6 people knew about it before I drove the 2 miles to my own house .

    So, yeah, the possibility exists that somebody may sneak onto the land, but I never one time said or remotely suggested that I shot blindly into grass, trees or at what I thought might be a turkey - again, this is you making up details in your mind about something instead of listening to what I say. I don't know about the people you hang out with or even your own shooting methoods, but mine are not just spontaneous or random.

    I mentioned that I called a huge tom a week before season. You then gave a speech about how I scared the bird, would never see it again, and so on and so forth.

    Thing is - had you actually read my post, you would have read how I made a small noise to gain the attention the bird just enough to change directions so that he wouldn't bust me. Then I stated that he walked about 20 feet away from me into the field and started STRUUTING.

    So, the bird did exactly what I hopped it would do.

    Now, I realize I am no 'expert' turkey hunter, but damn if you can tell me that bird was scared by any means, alarmed or running for his life. I could have thrown my gobble call and hit him while he was strutting because he was so close to me.

    Now, I will consider the real possibility that turkeys may act differently where you live. 200-300 miles difference in geographical terrain may do just that. Happens with other animals and fish too. Seen it myself. So I will consider that, but honestly, I think you just like to feel superior to everybody else.

    I see it in your comments to others too.

    If that's your thing, okay. I'm not gonna fret over it. But at the same time, don't think that I am asking for your condescending advice either on anything. The very comments you were quoting from me were just that: comments. Not a plea for help, advice or anything else....just comments about stuff that happened.

    No more, no less.

    And as far as reading, yeah, I do that. I read alot. I used to read books while all my friends sunk quarters into arcade games. I used to shoot guns while my friends spent their days in summer school or summer camp.

    Lastly.

    I have never hunted for enything I did not make use of. Same with fishing too. I do not catch fish just to brag about how many I can catch or how mine was superior to everybody elses.

    I did not hunt turkey for that reason, and I will not hunt deer, duck or geese for that reason. If I kill it, it will end up on my table or the table of a friend or any other needy person.
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    Diane- you misunderstand
    ' I just got a little worked up because you said you shot at what you saw as a less than ideal jake. I just felt if you didn't think it was a good bird you should have let it walk even though you were having a tough time getting one.'

    No, what I said was I shot a less than ideal bird.

    I could have been more clear.

    I was saying that the turkey I shot at ended up being less that ideal. Not that I saw one and figured I needed to kill something or anything.

    Had that been the case, it would have meant i shot is just to fit in with or try to meet the standards of somebody else.

    That's noty me. I don't try to meet other people's expectations or fit their ideals.

    The jake was in taller grass. Because the grass was tall, it suggested ( at the time) that the jake was also very tall and the reasoning at the time led me to believe he as a pretty damn big tom.
    Only when I went and got him did I realize he was less that ideal.
    And no, had I had a perfect world preview of the jake, and had i had some ESP to know exactly how big he was...I wouldn't have shot him.

    But having said that: I have a very clean conscience due to the fact the bird was a legal and legit kill and also because my intentions were not malicious or of ill will.
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    Good Grief?
    Ok...First...as I thought you might have knew from all your reading is...ALL Turkeys, Even Hens do have a small 'Snood' as your Hen does but you stated the Turkey you shot was strutting when you shot and as I mentioned, Strutting Toms will have a long Snood that hangs downs when they strut and even after they die, they (the snood) never fully retract back to normal. I've seen and killed my share of Turkeys and you have killed 1 so I guess your right and I'm wrong?....I'm thinking the 'RED' you shot at was the Dewlap or the Caruncles of the Turkeys Head but didn't want to pee ya off at me was just trying to explain my opinion but it's obvious now that you don't need my Opinions so Good Luck and Stay Safe.
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    Gobbler
    1 Final Picture for ya...Details are blurry to read but Hope it helps ya.
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    bless ya heart.
    cmon bo. its a hen. lets just get that over with. you just got lucky she hada beard. an just for the record, there aint nothin deep bout woods on the coast. you wanna see deep cmon to Nash county.
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    Turkey
    Have to say it ------ HEN
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