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  • 3rd Times A Charm

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    All I can say is 3rd Times A Charm. I have been so frustrated thus far this season. 2 well hit does with no recovery. One opening week end and the other last Monday.

    Everyone has been saying get the Rage broadheads but, I have defended the fixed broadhead on many ocasions. It's been said that a properly placed shot with any broadhead will kill any deer. Not always the case.....or maybe kill but you have to recover them.

    Tonight with new arrows and the Rage 2 blade chisel tip I made the 3rd time a charm. Here it is the God's honest truth. Without the rage this afternoon, Viper would have lost his 3rd deer.

    This yearling doe came in about 6:45pm jacked up with nerves because the wind was blowing gust to 25 miles an hour. As you can see in the video the camera is on a tri-pod, the movement is the wind. This camera cannot zoom in or out while recording.....although it looks like it is all through the video....big wind! I was rocking back and forth trying to get the pin on the sweet spot, which was almost impossible with the doe hard quartering away.

    The still picture is the actual view I took just before the zoomed in video. The corn is at 32 yards. I was wanting a big doe but, with the way the wind was and 30 minutes left of shooting I figured it was going to be this small doe that was ready to bolt at any second or nothing.

    As I released the Rage tipped arrow with her head down, she turns to the left, the arrow hit her at the base of the right ham, breaks her leg, continues through her front leg almost cutting it completely off, and shoots her through the neck. She rolls over and at the top, right 3rd of the video frame, you can see the red light of the trail cam go off. Needless to say she didn't get far and passed quick.

    I put in a call to the camera owner to check his pictures. I hope it caught the action.

    As for Rage Chisel Tip.....I'm sold and the blades are still in perfect condition! Not the prettiest shot or the best conditions but rage made it happen!
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    GT
    Hey GT....see if you can slow this down further.....that's the fastest reacting deer I have ever seen!
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    Nice
    She defiantly hit the dirt at the sound of the shot. I was watching thinking I know he is not gonna shoot at that sharp angle lol..WRONG!! I can see how the arrow did what you say it did with the angle she was at the shot but your right she was indeed very nervous and I'm glad you got her!!! Over the years i have come to the conclusion that under 30 yards, broadside or very slightly quartering away is my preference and even then I have goofed up on perfect opportunities.
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    No Shot
    I will be the first to admit that this was not a shot to take. Nervous deer, bad angle and high wind.

    The camera's perspective was 3 foot lower and to the left of mine but, still not a good angle. With a 30 feet per second different speed bow things would have been different....thus my desire for a faster bow!
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    First two does?
    What kept you from recovering the first two does? Can you pinpoint anything that could be the culprit?
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    @MBoone
    @MBoone...although this was a marginal shot and shouldn't have been taken, on my part. The other 2 were full broadside shots.

    The first a doe at 40 yards and I was probably 15 feet above the ground, considering I was on a downhill tree. Straight pass through behind the shoulder, maybe a little high blood from tip to tip on the arrow. Doe ran 40 yards across a corn field and into the woods, good blood all the way and the blood stopped.

    The second doe I was real high the shot was 22 yards and a little back. both had good blood trails that ran out.

    I don't know if it was deflection of the arrow on pass through, the deers rapid movement affecting the exit hole. I've seen about everything you can imagine. But both these were shot using my trusted G5 Montec. I used to shoot 125 grain and last year switched to 100 grain and haven't been happy since.

    Folks on this website convinced me to try the Rage broad head but they have there problems. My bow smith (Inferno4me) from this website said try Rage 2 blade with the chisel tip. So This was the result....marginal shot and dead deer that was easy to track. I know the other 2 died as well but when you can't follow the blood....good luck finding them. These rage are brutal (which is a good thing). I still need 3 or 4 or 5 more deer with them for a definitive verdict....lol!

    On a serious note.....I hate wounded deer, and know that mother nature will eat well but, it bothers me to shoot one of God's creature and not find it.
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    Post-shot
    Viper,

    I completely understand why you took a shot. We're all after ideal shooting conditions, but quite often some factor afield just doesn't want to cooperate. In your case, it doesn't look like ANY of those factors were cooperating! With a need or want for meat, however, sometimes we are forced to take less than ideal shots.

    As far as broadhead choice, you really just have to find what works for you, with your bow, your arrows, your set up; everyone's is unique because there are simply so many choices out there that you can mix and match. I prefer Rage 3 blade expandables because they work well with my bow, my arrows, my set up. So, all in all, I don't think your choice of broadhead has much to do with why you weren't able to recover the first two does, especially if they were well placed broadside shots.

    May I ask what you do after you have arrowed a deer, any deer? In other words, what is your typical series of events from immediately after the shot to actually going to find your arrow and first blood? I've got an idea that might explain why you ultimately couldn't recover the first two does, but I don't want to make any assumptions.
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    Post shot
    Well as far as post shots....the doe I shot last night was shot at roughly 6:50pm and I didn't hit the ground until 7:30 or so. The first deer of the year I came down the tree 10 minutes after the shot found the arrow and walked my climber back to my truck 300 yards away, came back and followed the blood trail for about an hour before I couldn't find anymore blood. Then went back on Sunday morning and looked for about 3 hours and never found anything....knowing the land. The 2nd deer I, realized the shot might be a little back, found blood but not a lot at first, so I walked out 400 yards to my truck, went home and loaded up my Jack Russell, came back about 1 1/2 hours later and tracked the blood about 200 yards before it ran out. The whole time I was on my hands and knees with the dog crawling. I felt like a rabbit lol!

    I have lost maybe 5 or 6 deer in 8 years of hunting. It never is easy. I have found many with no blood trail to speak of. The biggest deer I ever arrowed didn't have a blood trail until it got 80 or so yards away and then it's bottom fell out. The buck in my profile was the one. He was hit with the 125 grain G5 Montec. He was found 1 1/2 after the shot if not more.
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    Good Job
    Good job Viper!! It may not have been the ideal shot but it was definitely not a bad decision. I too have told people the same thing. Any sharp broadhead will get the job done if put in the right place. However, sometimes(most of the time) us humans do not make the 'Perfect' shot. That is why I will continue to use a a mechanical head that offers the most forgiveness. However that is not an excuse for not trying to make that perfect shot though... I have not tried the chisel tip but I have seen plenty of devastating holes thanks to the Rage.....Backstraps for supper???
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    meat
    Congrats on some meat in the freezer man.
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    Discussion
    Viper,

    So, with the first doe, you came down the tree 10 minutes after the shot. If your stand and/or climbing sticks have ANY metal on them at all, I have an idea as to why the first two eluded your recovery efforts. *You didn't indicate if you climbed down from the stand 10 minutes after shooting with the second doe. Did you do the same with the second doe?

    Metallic clanking noises are not normal in a deer's environment. Add that to the fact that you've mortally wounded the deer. At that point, pure adrenaline and an instinct to survive is what is keeping that wounded animal alive.

    Having been shot, running on adrenaline/instinct and hearing unnatural, metallic clanking noises is going to compel that animal to keep running, to keep going to get away from whatever has just wounded it. Even 10 minutes after the shot when that deer may have already crashed and laid down to die in peace, hearing a hunter climb down from his or her stand will almost assuredly cause that deer to make another push to get away from your location.

    It has happened to me, but only once. I make sure I sit absolutely quiet for at least 30-40 minutes after the shot to give that animal a chance to die peacefully, without taking the risk of pushing it further than it intended on going by making unnatural clanking noises. That is my hunch.

    As far as the blood trails for those two does, I don't have a distinct explanation for that. Maybe they took a hard turn somewhere along the way?

    In regards to the buck you mentioned, I can offer an observation. In the first minutes after you shot that buck, and, depending upon where the arrow hit, there may have been enough pressure in the deer's body cavity such that initially, blood isn't simply running down its sides - it may be spraying to either side of the animal. That can definitely lead to a weak blood trail, especially close to your arrow and first blood. Once some of that pressure has been relieved because of blood loss (when 'its bottom fell out') then you'll start to see that nice, easy to follow trail. In the future, if you think that might be the case, you can look at nearby trees to see if any spray has left a mark as the deer passes those trees in its flight.

    I hope that helps. Again, congratulations on your first recovery of the season!
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    MBoone
    @ MBoone, I see you have bow hunted one season and are in your second. I know your intentions are well meant but I have been bow hunting 8 years and have trailed many, many, many deer. Trust me I know what I am doing when it comes to finding deer, Noise in the woods etc. Noise is not always an issue for deer. I have killed deer with a bow 100 yards from a house with screaming kids in the yard. One year I killed one 50 yards away from a log loader while they were cutting the woods down. It had been going on for a week straight and the deer just got use to it....lol!

    To date I have killed 22 deer with a bow and many more with a gun. Last year I killed 9 deer and 4 were with the bow. For a total of 50 since 10-1-2003, when I started bow hunting, late in life.

    Go get on a tree and post us some pictures of your harvest!
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    Treed
    Viper,

    I wasn't questioning your abilities at all, and I know every man has his way of going about hunting. I thought some discussion might help me reinforce some of the points I've learned, in addition to maybe generating some other discussions through different people's perspectives. And indeed, it was a good conversation. I find it interesting to hear about other people's experiences because I'm sure we all want to learn more about the sport, and what better way to find out than through some good 'ol discussion?

    I'll get a photo or two up at some point. I harvested a doe a little over a week ago, but I was doing it all solo, so I couldn't really get a good picture. It was also after dark and still a bit warm when I found her - I was more concerned with taking care of the meat. Oh well. I'll get a pic of the next one, just for you, Viper.
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